Review: QuickBooks & Intuit Online 401(k)
One of the many benefits of working at RustyBrick is our company matched 401(k) program.
The way we like do things at RustyBrick is by the most efficient method as possible. It is what we do, we design systems to maximize company efficiencies. So when it comes to even our employee HR stuff, which I personally handle all by myself, we try to make it as efficient and seamless as possible. If not, then I'd have to hire an HR person.
We decided to use a product promoted by our accounting software, QuickBooks, named Intuit 401(k). Truth be told, it is actually run and managed by a third-party company, not at Intuit (makers of QuickBooks) named The Online 401(k). Why did we pick this solution? The sole reason was its ability to integrate fully with QuickBooks. I set it up once and it would automatically handle all the 401(k) distributions and company matches each pay cycle, or so I thought.
This is how we set up QuickBooks for everything else. All our customers, time sheets, billing, invoicing, is all integrated via our systems and the QuickBooks API. It just makes sense to reduce double entry, human error and redundancy by automating this stuff. Again, it is what we know.
So I have been using The Online 401(k) for about 2.5 months now and want to share my experience.
Early Experience With The Online 401(k)
When I signed up, my sales representative told me I could submit my first 401(k) distribution mid-February. To be on the safe side, I submitted it the last week of February. I wait the 3 days, plus additional 2 days required for the distributions to be sent to the employees and nothing happened. So I email the The Online 401(k) support and they eventually tell me that my sales representative did not activate it until the first of March.

So I asked the The Online 401(k) folks to please move that date forward a week and pull the distributions. They told me they cannot do so and I need to call Intuit support to back out the 401(k) distributions from the payroll and then reimburse the employees on the next pay cycle. As you can imagine, this create a tremendous amount of MANUAL work, work I wanted to avoid in the first place. I did it, after tons of hold time and transferred departments at Intui - while The Online 401(k) team shoved me off to Intuit as to not deal with me.
A day after I backed out the transactions, I get an email from a supervisor telling me they can now make an exception and back up my date and pull the distributions. I was extremely upset and pretty much told them off.
I figured that was the end of it. The next two distributions went smoothly. I submitted the normal payroll and the 401(k) distributions followed two days after, as it should.
Then last pay period, I decide to check to make sure the The Online 401(k) has been running smoothly and noticed the past two pay periods they did not remove the distributions! I submit an online support ticket to The Online 401(k), they take a day or so to get back to me telling me, yea, it didn't go through. A day or two after, I get an email from Intuit telling me they will call me to help me. Again, The Online 401(k) dumping me off to Intuit.
The guy from Intuit was actually very helpful. He seemed to have been the guy to write up new documentation for The Online 401(k). I told him my frustration with working with The Online 401(k) who had no clue how QuickBooks worked with their own program. He agreed and told me he is working with them to try to educate their staff. He told me they added some features to make the process smoother. But what he told me next was shocking.
Why didn't the past two distributions go through? Because my default browser on the machine running QuickBooks was not Internet Explorer. For The Online 401(k) to get the payroll submission from QuickBooks, they need the default browser to be Internet Explorer (for "security" reasons). No where did I get that warning, plus it stopped working without me changing the default browser, so this must have been a new requirement. Again, no warning.
That is where I stand now. The helpful Intui representative helped me once again push the payroll data to Intuit, which will then go to The Online 401(k) several days later. He promised the distributions that did not go through, pretty much the two paychecks in April, would be pushed through the first week of May. I'll update this post if that is true.
Overall, the smooth, seamless process has been everything but. I do hope this is the last I worry about the 401(k) I set up. I expect that it work without me doing anything - like the sales rep told me. I set it up once and never worry about it again. So far, it has caused me a ton of headache and wasted too much of my time.


27 COMMENTS
posted by Bill White on: Oct 12, 2011 05:33pm
I like this plan quite a bit. It took 15 minutes to signup and then another hour long tour and I was ready to roll. Even though my payroll wasn't integrated (which would have been nice) it takes probably 5 minutes per payroll to administer and I have 7 employees. I give two thumbs up.
posted by Andrew on: May 9, 2012 03:56pm
Hey, Greg! It sounds like you've been through some tough times with this. It's certainly not a standard The Online 401(k) lives by. It's my job to make sure the client's voice is heard internally and you've certainly been heard. Are you up for a time to speak further on this? I'm sure I can help resolve some of the discomfort in the short term and find out a way to avoid this type of thing happening to anyone else. When you get the chance, drop me an e-mail and we can get on the phone to speak further with what has happened and how to get this fixed asap! Andrew, andrew@theonline401k.com
posted by greg on: May 9, 2012 12:55pm
I am right in the middle of a HORRIBLE experience with Online401k.com or the Intuit 401K. It has me so angry I cant see straight. I signed up in Feb. It is now May, and after three months have had it with these guys. Be forewarned... Online401k.com is NOT Intuit! They are NOT Costco! They are NOT Morningstar. I have had many many issues, but the biggest frustration is their customer service. It is some of the worst I have seen in a long long time. They refuse to give me contact info for any specific person and force me to submit any communication thru their web message service. I call up and speak to supposedly someone important, but then what I am told is ignored and forgotten. I am forced to eMail support@theonline401k.com, but it then takes 10-24 hrs to get a response. As a steward of my employees money, there is NO WAY I trust Online401k.com or Intuit 401k with our retirement after all this. All my confidence is lost and I want out. The rub is they are saying that if I leave, they are going to hit me with almost $2500.00 in penalties. Can they be serious!?!?!? I have been forced to hire an attorney to see what my options are. I cant believe that in an effort to try to save a little bit of money for my retirement, I am now in a situation where I have to pay a lawyer a retainer for almost as much as I have personally contributed into my plan. I have also engaged in dialogue with their parent company Costco as well as Intuit. Costco takes customer service issues very seriously and I know they will help resolve this. All I want is to walk away from this disaster...
posted by Barry Schwartz on: Apr 24, 2012 08:43pm
Good question. I am not sure. There is zero personal touch but now it runs by itself.
posted by Gavin on: Apr 24, 2012 08:38pm
Hi Barry, I'm considering this for our small business, but reading through these replies and your thread makes me leery. Now that you are roughly a year in what are your thoughts? Would you do it again if you had the option? Thanks
posted by Andrew on: Apr 5, 2012 05:00pm
That definitely sounds like a bad experience! Would you have the chance to go over some of the specifics with me? It doesn't sound like the normal process of things at the Intuit401(k). Drop me an e-mail or give me a call when you get the chance to talk further! andrew@theonline401k.com or 415-593-5849
posted by Sluther93 on: Apr 5, 2012 04:46pm
Do not sign up for intuit 401K. This is a rip-off. They will take your money each month and not refund your money. You will have to cancel your bank account to get rid of these people.
posted by Andrew on: Feb 2, 2012 10:21pm
Hi, JR! I'd love to talk to you about this. As the Consumer Ambassador, Our clients have a very large voice here and it's my role to ensure it is heard! When you have the chance, reach out to me directly at 415.593.5849 or andrew@theonline401k.com. Looking forward to it!
posted by JR on: Feb 2, 2012 03:00pm
Unbelievably horrible experience. I have tried to escalate my issues to both the CEO and CFO (apparently the CFO is in charge of everything???) and can't even get a response.
posted by Anu Sanghvi on: Apr 28, 2011 10:42pm
Barry, I’m very sorry to hear about your experience with Intuit 401(k). We are relatively new in the market with this offering, and it is feedback like yours that allows us to improve the service for everyone. Thomas (our support representative) had already brought up your concerns with the team, and we do have a plan in place to fix the issues you are mentioning. Sorry that you had to go through so much trouble to get going. I would be very interested to know how the service works for you going forward. Please feel free to ping me any time at anu_sanghvi@intuit.com (product management, Intuit).
posted by Tina on: May 18, 2011 09:47pm
Thanks! You've saved me a ton of frustration. I was just looking over a proposal from them. What version of quickbooks are you using? Are you using online or desktop payroll and are you still having problems?
posted by Barry Schwartz on: May 18, 2011 09:48pm
desktop, latest version. i think it works now after a lot of frustration .
posted by Skeeter Valentine on: Jun 5, 2011 03:57am
I use the Intuit 401(k) and it's working pretty well. No issues to date. Sales process was smooth and no issues with the payroll integration either. Too bad it's been a bit rough for you but I'm finding it pretty easy to use so far. Great fund returns since I started as well!
posted by Barry Schwartz on: Jun 3, 2011 08:35pm
Just to give you all another update. I spent another hour + on the phone with Intuit. Data is still not flowing properly. I am not sure why and neither are they but they promised to work on it. So I guess I am debugging this all for everyone else.
posted by rick o'connor on: Jun 1, 2011 05:00pm
Curious since a month has now passed if the 401k headaches are now a thing of the past? We received a proposal from them as well...and were about two clicks from completing their online subscription when I found this article. Curios if the issues have been addressed before we make the jump...
posted by Barry Schwartz on: Jun 1, 2011 05:07pm
The support is much better but I am still having issue after issue sending the payroll data to them and thus the employee's funds are not being deposited timely. But they are working on it. :)
posted by IRA vs 401k on: Aug 23, 2011 09:26am
I like this article! Will come again next time for sure, thank again
posted by Mike on: Aug 27, 2011 12:16am
I am in the midst of dealing with this incredible scam from Intuit. They have completely misled me (lied) to me about the 401k being integrated with payroll. I'm over 2 months into this process.When asking them about why I was being trained on "The Online 401k" as requirement for intuit 401k, They told me they'd get back to me. Then when I forced their hand, they finally told me the systems were not integrated. Now I do not even know where the money is that was shown as deducted in Intuit Payroll. Total disaster. Worse part of it is that I will now have transition again to another payroll company. Another 80 hour endeavor. freakin Great.. Exactly what I was trying to avoid. Biggest nightmare experience ever with so called "reputable" company.
posted by Adam on: Sep 1, 2011 02:57am
I have had the same problems as others. Intuit 401(k) promises to have a seamless integration with Intuit online, but I have not been able to set it up after 2 months of fruitless emails and posts to their track it system. I originally signed up with them in late June. After I went through their training, they said it would automatically pull in my employee's information from Intuit online. That there would be a link. I first emailed them on July 18th that there was not link, the response was that it was Intuit Online Payroll's problem. I contacted IOP, they told me it was Intuit 401(k)'s issue. After the first response to me, they next time they posted a reply was on August 5th and told me again that it was IOP's problem. And after that nothing.... I would not trust them to manage money if they can't even get me set up and have horrible customer service. I wish that I had seen this blog before I signed up with them.
posted by Anu Sanghvi on: Sep 1, 2011 04:32am
Mike - I am very sorry to hear of the problems you are having with Intuit 401(k). Can you please email me at anu_sanghvi@intuit.com so we can find a time to talk? I apologize that this has been a frustrating experience for you. I would really like to understand your experience better so I can get this straightened out for you.
posted by Anu Sanghvi on: Sep 1, 2011 04:43am
Adam - I apologize for the trouble you have experienced. As difficult as it is to read your comments, your situation highlights that we have work to do to make sure both sides of our service are communicating more effectively so you are not stuck in the middle. I really would like to fix this for you. Can you please email me at anu_sanghvi@intuit.com so I can get your company details to resolve this matter for you?
posted by Farrah on: Oct 10, 2011 09:01pm
Hi Barry, has your satisfaction level increased at all? I'm just about to sign up with theonline401k....
posted by Barry Schwartz on: Oct 10, 2011 09:02pm
Umm, it works now. But took forever. Let me know how it goes for you.
posted by Guinevere75 on: Oct 28, 2011 07:11pm
Hmmm.... I am currently considering these guys or ADP's version. We use ADP for payroll, and I was actually keen on using Intuit because I liked their fund options better - but this thread scares the piss out of me. I've used ADP 401k in the pass and not had a single issue - I may need to just stay the course.
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posted by Jenica on: Dec 15, 2011 12:51am
Thanks for your post on this topic. I was considering signing up for the Intuit 401(k) but your experience has cautioned me to do otherwise. Thanks for sharing. Please do post an update if you notice a significant improvement. Perhaps you've debugged it for all of, as you said?
posted by Bill Guesman on: Dec 29, 2011 05:01pm
Barry, I also picked the Intuit 401k plan as offered through their partnership with Costco. On paper it all looks like a perfect fit for small companies. Well my experience so far has been extremely poor. First I had trouble with e-signing the required documents. They ended up having to email me the documents so that I could sign them, scan them, and email them back. The other frustration that I am having is scheduling the 401k Tour. The first time they didn't send me the webEX information until about 10 minutes after the start. Because I didn't have any information I had to cancel with our accountant and also my business partner. Now here we are again, 1 hour before the scheduled tour and I have no WebEx information. I called the support line, pressed 0 for the operator, she asked if I checked my junk mail, I said yes, she then put me through to the support team and I had to leave a voicemail. I'm really having 2nd thoughts about this plan. If this tour doesn't take place without a hitch this time I'm taking my business elsewhere.